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Saturday, May 26, 2018

Individual Outputs

In the Amazona.de article by Costello, my interest in modifications was piqued by his desire to have individual outputs for each voice - Cello and Violin.

"Then you could combine almost dry cellos with "wet" strings. Even for wacky phaser and flanger effects would offer a separate decrease. Unfortunately, it is not. As a real chorus fetishist, I like to use the boss chorus CE1, which has the charm that the chorus pulls the signal into the stereo width. And of course, the Yamaha SS-30 sound also blends in beautifully with a nice phaser like the Electro Harmonix Small Stone or MXR-100. But you can also experiment with flangers and Leslie effects. And a good reverb is of course mandatory."

How can I do that? Easily, actually.

Butcher's Blocks

 Sometimes a modification requires a certain amount to of butchery - removing and replacing parts and so forth. Other jobs are a simple matter of adding a wire.

Below is a section of the SS-30 block diagram.





 All the outputs from the G boards are mixed together in the first block. These sub-circuits are call 'Mixing Amp and Filter' and produce Violin, Viola and Cello voices. These create the five voices available to select on the front panel switches.

The next block contains two 'Pre-amps' which actually just mix the five voices into Violin and Cello which are then set to the 'Brilliance'filter control.

The final block you can see here contains a pair of buffers, which are common-collector amplifiers. After the these buffers, the two voices are switched and mixed, without buffering, for the Orchestra effect.
In other words, after the buffers the two signals are combined and if I try and tap off individual outputs here they won't be, well, individual.

Buffer Zone 

Therefore the ideal place to obtain the individual voices from is just after the Brilliance filter and before the buffers. The outputs will still be subject to the Brilliance setting and not mixed, which is perfect. And, because the signals go through the Brilliance controls there are already wires going back from these potentiometers and easy access to the signals.


Which it are - line-level man!

What's less clear from the diagrams above is the voltage levels at each stage. For the individual outputs I need line-level audio, like the main output.  But what is that level and what is line-level anyway?

The SS-30 manual quotes the output level as:  

OUTPUT . . . . . . . . . -20dB/600Ω

And here's the schematic of the output.  


600 Ohm isn't a standard resistor rating so the circuit designers used the nearest - 560 Ohm.

Up-to the late seventies professional audio was based on telephone standards. 600 Ohm was the stated used for that equipment such that the output impedance (in-line with the signal) matched the input impedance (across, and in parallel with the input terminals). For transmission over long distances this was necessary but eventually this was abandoned for audio.

The units of measurement were for mW of power expressed in decibels as dBm. In this scheme 0dB is 1mW of pow err into a 600 Ohm load.
The SS-30's "-20db" will no doubt mean -20 dBm, which is 0.01mW into 600 Ohm. Again, that's useful for transmission over wires miles long, but just confusing for audio electronics, where the voltage is what matters. Still, they stuck with it for professional audio and made it even more confusing by using dBu. Electronic and communications engineers (like me) use dBu for mico-watts power (u being the greek letter mu, the prefix for micro) but audio engineers call dBu - decibels unloaded.

Here's what Wikipedia says:

"The decibel unloaded reference voltage, 0 dBu, is the AC voltage required to produce 1 mW of power across a 600 Ω impedance (approximately 0.7746 VRMS)."

Which is to say, it would be delivering 1mW into a 600 Ohm load, if you still had such an input. The voltage for 0dBu is 0.775VRMS though, no matter what the input load.

Taking the load off

When the 600 Ohm standard was dropped it was replaced by so called impedance bridging. In this scheme the input load impedance is much higher than the output impedance. This means the voltage is maintained whilst not sourcing so much current from the output. More current means more power but that's not what is needed.
The higher impedance at the input reduces the current load carried from the output to such a degree that it is considered unloaded - hence dB unloaded, dBu.

So what is the voltage of the SS-30 output? Well as the wattage of -20dBm is 0.1mW, which is one tenth the reference wattage of 1mW the voltage is one tenth  the refernce  - 0.0775V RMS or 0.11 V peak and 0.22V peak to peak.

That seems low but the reference level is, well, it's a reference. It's based on a sine wave, not necessarily a good indication of the noises coming of a synth.

Wait, what was I talking about?

Individual outputs

The voices each have pre-amps before the buffers and the output level here is significantly higher than the main output.
This is to be expected. Although there are amplification stages after this point, there is a fair bit of loss to make-up, so it needs to start at a much higher level.

When I measured the signals at this point with my scope I got something like 3 Vpp. i.e 1.5 Vpeak and 1V RMS. That's 2.73 dBu and to bring it in line with the main output it will need a fair bit of output impedance. If a typical line input impedance is 10KOhm then to reduce the level down to the same as the 0.11 V RMS of the main output I will need an output resistance of 10 times 10KOhm.

Well readers, I didn't think about any of that when I was trying this. No, I just tried a few resistors out until I got a level that sounded about the same as the man output. It was 100KOhm so it looks like my post-hoc analysis was right! 

Just putting it out there.

Individual outputs are a cinch, so this modification in definitely in. When I was experimenting I also detected a difference in the sound. The tone was clearer, as you might expect, but the attack also seemed sharper. At least that's how it seemed. I'd like to test it again and make sure I wasn't fooling myself.

Sources


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_level
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/understanding-impedance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_bridging
https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=222528







Monday, May 21, 2018

Thanks For Your Input!

Putting in the input


Some things are just too easy and you wonder why you didn't just do them earlier. Attaching an external input to the Orchestra effect is one such job.

Referring back to the modification I did to the switches and depth control to have individual wet/dry mix controls for each voice...


I simply added a wire to the Violin voice's input to the mixing amp and switched off the Violin voices for good measure. I haven't replaced the Violin switches yet and I just wanted to isolate the external input as much as possible.

And, hey presto, I have a chorus effects unit!

Because the PSS-580 sounds relatively poor and because I had it to hand I filmed a demo of it with a few different presets to show how useful the effect is.
 This film is a multi-camera wonder! You can see me playing the'580 and adjusting the effects-send at one and the same time! I also downloaded Lightworks so I could superimpose them together.

The channel on the right is the PSS-580. The one on the left is the SS-30. By using the mixer I can also feed the SS-30 back into itself. This creates an even deeper effect. As you get closer to the point of howl-around you get some interesting artifacts around the attack portion of sounds too. A couple of times I push it too far.



Now that this is tested I need to decide how to implement it.
  • Input connector on the front or back panel?
  • Is it worth having an input level control?
  • Should I add a feedback control for the SS-30 so that the deeper effect can be obtained without any external mixing? 
  • Should the external input be routed in with the SS-30 voices or should it just go into the Mixing Amp with it's own channel and 22K resistor?
That was an hour's work on Sunday afternoon so in the evening I decided to try something else with the Orchestra.   

The indications are good

The Orchestra has two LFOs. One fixed at 0.6Hz and the other variable. It occurred to me recently, whilst having deep think about the user interface (of which a blog post is forthcoming), that I could have a blinking light to indicate the rate of the variable LFO. At least now that it's fully variable and not just two fixed speeds it's useful.

The LFO is generated by the IG00150 VCO. This device has two outputs, a sine wave is used for the Orchestra effect and there's an unused sawtooth which I can use to control an LED. 


With a simple transistor driver circuit and borrowing a 15V supply rail I quickly got this demo working.


I would need a small board to hold the components but this is a nice addition to the SS-30M.

Thursday, May 17, 2018

Switching Controls

Earlier this week I sepnt a bit more time fiddling with the front-panel controls.

The first job was to remove the switches I wanted to use from the donor Organ. More on that in a later post.

I also replaced the two Cello voice switches (1 and 2) with faders.


As you can see I hacked them onto my laser-cut temporaray panel. they oinly fitted the gap sideways asnd needed a bit of accommodation. The temp panel's going to be abused a bit whilst I work through this phase of the project.

The faders are from an old mixer (Starsound Dynamix 260) I got from my old high school. I binned it years ago but kept the faders. These are 10Kohm log audio 'A' type and worked perfectly!



Knobs


Here's an old post I put together when I was looking for the perfect knobs to use. I have a solution now, I think but here's the research I did...


Alright! Settle down!
 Yes, we're looking at knobs.

CS/SK style slider knobs 

Where can you get these nowadays?

These exact slider caps are available from http://www.synthparts.com -

"Yamaha CS50/60/80 Slide Pot $12 (larger quadrant type $14)"

That's quite a lot of dosh for some knobs if I get 10 or more, but would be absolutely pukka. I also might feel bad depriving CS owners of precious spares though..



There is a spare part for Numark mixers NS6/NS7 and AKAI APC - PT11106163-  which looks similar, but is possibly a bit bigger and flatter on top.They are definitely textured and matt and not smooth and silky like the original ones.

In context :

AKAI APC40


And then there's the mix slider - PT11106178 - for the 'Numark
V7
MIXDECK QUAD
NDX800
NDX900
NS6 :

NS7
NSFX
This looks rounder but a bit short.

PT11106178

 

CS style lever switch caps

 

The switch are caps not so available - except they may be the same as some of the Electone Organs some of which can be bought very cheap, although getting enough of the same colour would be an issue and that's a lot of wastage...
EDIT : I know have a bunch of these lever knobs from the B-75 organ I bought. They aren't quite right for faders though. The sliders have a curved travel.





SK/CS30 style knobs

Right - SK /CS knobs


Perfect Circuit sell SK knobs but they don't seem right at all.  Not U shaped knurls and strange lip on the cap. These are in fact from the Korg MonoPoly - Syntaur sell them too.


Wrong - Korg MonoPoly

Where can I find the right ones? I don't think I will. I've searched high and low and whilst there may be a plastic bin with a dozen sat in a surplus shop in Japan or the States, I can't find them.

Syntaur are our of stock
https://syntaur.com/Items.asp?Item=5093


Here's something with the nearly the right knurling - U shape -  but the base is wrong. I quite like it anyway. I think I have something similar on the back of some speakers I made when I was a lad. There are more sturdy than beautiful.

https://www.quasarelectronics.co.uk/Item/kb0295-19-5mm-6-35mm-control-knob-white-pointer

Mammoth do them too - in different colours - but manufatuer is not mentioned

https://www.mammothelectronics.com/collections/knobs/products/kp-16x15f-series-plastic-fluted-control-knob-16-x-15mm?variant=28794244295

On ebay


CS 15 smaller sliders

Part number CB811290.
These guys seem to do a similar part http://www.shokaifareast.com/Products/Pots/Slide/slide_knobs.htm

Manufacturers

Rogan

Large range - no exact matches though.
http://www.rogancorp.com/knobs-hand-hardware/plastic-control-knobs

OKW

Many and varied
https://www.okw.co.uk/en/Products/Potentiometer-Tuning-knobs.htm

Sifam

Large range of knobs - sliders fairly standard mixer and eq types.
http://www.sifam.co.uk/knobs.asp

Selco

Standard range
https://www.selcoproducts.com/knobs

Cosmo

Standard range.
http://www.cosmocorp.com/en/kcat-main.cfm

Ehc

 Huge range
http://www.ehcknobs.com/index.php?id=CK 

 

 

 

Coolor Caps

Fancy, candy coloured and novelty knobs - single stripe fader knobs, sold in packs too.
http://coolorcaps.com/product-category/caps/













 Even do hydrodip printed ones







Specialised synth shops' knobs

Perfect Circuit

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/accessories/parts.html


https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/juno-106-slider-cap.html <- similar to CS/SK slider cap but not rounded.

Syntaur


https://syntaur.com/knobs.html
Have a large number of parts inclusing some real synth classics, not nothing at all for classic Yamaha analogues :-(

Grayscale

Single design - Rogan?
http://grayscale.info/index.php/?s=knobs





http://www.synthparts.com/ <- Have CS50 slider caps
 http://www.vintageplanet.nl/ (Closed)

Organ shops

http://www.mcnsystems.com/parts.htm <-No lists but lots of stuff.


Small Electronics shops

http://www.cliffuk.co.uk/products/knobs/rotary.htm
http://www.surplussales.com/ShaftHardware/Knobs/Index.html 
https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/knobs  <- Guitar stuff mostly
https://www.westfloridacomponents.com/Knobs.html <- not much stuff
http://www.mzentertainment.com/store_dr_zee_workshop_parts_knobs.html - <- Loads but nothing 'right'
http://www.electronicsurplus.com <-quite a bit - bad site though


Wholesale

http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/fader-knobs
http://www.aliexpress.com/popular/mixer-fader-knobs.html


General Electronics Shops

https://www.rapidonline.com/knobs
http://uk.farnell.com/knobs



Overall though I want these and I can't get them.



Monday, May 14, 2018

Orchestra Manoeuvres

I did do most of them in the hours of darkness, yes.

I’ve been thinking about and planning the power supply a good deal this week, but it’s turning into a mini project of its own and I wanted to keep the momentum up on the rest of the SS-30M.

As the weather is good and I now have an electric heater for when the evening temperature starts to drop, I was out in the garage again tonight with the aim of trying out the redesign of the Orchestra section.

You may recall that the SS-30 Orchestra effect section has four controls.

Depth - Which is actually a form of dry/wet mixer knob which goes from mostly dry to mostly wet
Speed - A switch with a fast or slow setting for one of the LFOs
Cello - A switch to route the  Cello voice to the Orchestra, or bypass it.
Violin - A switch to route the  Violin voice to the Orchestra, or bypass it.


When I wrote the Orchestration blog post I came up with a more versatile scheme with three controls.

Speed - A knob which controls the speed of one of the LFOs
Cello Depth - A knob which controls a wet/dry mix for the Cello voice
Violin Depth - A knob which controls a wet/dry mix for the Violin voice

The advantages of this scheme are that with fewer controls I get greater control. Yamaha’s designers would probably argue that the benefits of controlling the speed are minimal but for such a small cost I simply say ‘why not?’. As for having a depth control for each voice, again it’s questionable when you consider that it’s mostly an on/off choice, but I think having the greater freedom allows for more possibilities - even if you don’t always want to take advantage them.

This evening I got the new scheme working with some linear rotary potentiometers. The old controls are gone.
This was the rough sketch I did before and it’s what I ended up doing.

It leaves the dry mix of Violin and Cello from ‘Mixing Amp’ unused. Previously, some of this would have made it into the mix even when the Depth setting was full on. The depth pot was 50K so not much would have got in, but some would. Now the balance of wet/dry is done before the mixing of the voices, but a little of each will get through even when the setting is at the extremes.
I used 100K for the Violin voice but I only had a 47K left so used that for the Cello.
I’m not sure how much difference this makes, if any. I could eliminate this slight bleed through at one end if I use a pot with a switch. Perhaps so the dry mix is totally dry.

The other thing, which I didn’t consider before, is that even when little or no signal is going into the Orchestra effect there is still some noise coming out. In the original design the switches ensured that this would never reach the output. I need to do some listeing tests and think about this.  The effect is not totally clean but I didn’t hear anything untoward this evening.







Tuesday, May 08, 2018

Current Affairs & Power Couples

Current Account

A critical issue for the SS-30M has always been where the extra power for the MIDI interface would come from. If it needs to have it's own supply then there would have to be an elegant way to incorporate that. I mean, I don't want two different power inputs.

Now that the interface is working I have been able to measure the current drawn in the worst case situation of all 49 keys being pressed at once. This isn't a realistic use case but it could be a failure mode of the interface or an accidental occurrence

There's only one positive rail in the SS-30 power-supply, 15V, and that's just right for the CMOS MIDI interface so that's what I tried to use. The +15V rail has a 500mA fuse, so as long as the total current  draw does not exceed 500mA - with some headroom - I can use it to power the interface as well.
Firstly, the supply to the MIDI interface is (ahem) currently coming from my bench power supply. This tells me how much current it's supplying and when all the keys are down that's 144mA, DC. Ideally then, the draw on the 15V rail of the SS30 will be well under 350mA DC.

To measure the current there are two options. Interrupt the DC rail coming into the SS30 and place my multimeter in series there, or simply remove the fuse and measure there. There is difference though. The fuse is on the AC side of the power-supply - before DC regulation. I measured at the fuse and got around 570mA when both the interface and SS-30 are powered and all keys are on. At first I thought thatat was it and the current was too high. Then I recalled that the fuse is rated to the RMS value. The RMS value for a sinusoidal signal - which is what we get from the mains transformer - is I/1.44 (where 1.44 is an approximate value for the square root of 2). I measured 570mA so the RMS current is 570mA/1.44  = 396mA.

To be sure, I replaced the 500mA fuse and tested again. The fuse held and I have my answer: I can power the MIDI interface from the SS-30 power supply.


Power Couple

The second problem with power is that the SS30 power supply won't fit into the space left in the 19" rack enclosure. I need a case just for the PSU and then to get the power rails into the SS-30M I need a connector and cable arrangement with enough conductors.  Carrying a single rail is easy but I  need 6 conductors.
-26V
+15V
-15V
-7V
2x 0V

They also need to be rated up-to 500mA. I don't want to lose voltage through the resistance much either.

I found these connectors.




http://uk.farnell.com/cliff-electronic-components/fc684206/socket-cliffcon-shielded-6way/dp/1908694


And there's a ready made 1.5m cable assembly



http://uk.farnell.com/cliff-electronic-components/cih684216/circular-cable-6pos-plug-plug/dp/2663546?MER=bn_level5_4NP_LastViewed_3

The length is important because the SS-30M could be mounted relatively high up and the supply would likely be on the floor.

This is what Cliffcon say:

CliffCon® Miniature ZC Series

Our ZC series, miniature, locking, multi-pole, shielded connectors are available in a range of 2 to 8 pole plugs and sockets. These are primarily intended for low voltage and signal applications. Contacts are tin plated and other metal parts are nickel plated brass or Mazac. There are also 90° versions of the plug available to order.

Specification: Rated 1A / Pin - 48V max.

I'd like the 90 degree angled plug but Farnell only stock the other kind. Otherwise it's perfect! All I need now is an enclosure for the power-supply.